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Comment on Come Cycle the City With Us! by Annie Follett

Annie Follett — Tue, 05 Mar 2013 20:47:16 +0000

Yes, it sounds like fun. BTW, love, love the new logo.

Comment on A Pedestrian Friendly Champlain Bridge by RaChaCha

RaChaCha — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:13:35 +0000

I love this article! I live in Buffalo and write occasionally for BuffaloRising.com, am a "bridge nerd" and have worked on planning and funding of bike/ped facilities. I loved the design of the previous bridge, and was sorry to see it go, but didn't realize that it didn't have shoulders for biking nor sidewalks. I'm glad those are present on the new bridge, as well as crosswalks at each end so that folks can do loops. The state should go the next stop, and bid out a concession for a hotdog/snack vendor (including pet treats) for warm-weather months, for those making the bridge a destination and not just a link from point A to point B.

Comment on Would YOU use a walk-bike path along Route 15? by Roger Frey

Roger Frey — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 13:55:05 +0000

Absolutely needed, especially with St. Michael's College along this proposed Path.
It will still be difficult to navigate from 5 Corners Essex to Winooski and beyond, but
proposed piece is most needed section.

Comment on Volunteers Launch Trail Finder App for iPhone! by ipad case

ipad case — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 05:24:19 +0000

A more improved engine for searching location and other stuff. Thanks to Woodchuck Apps and Vermont Recreation Trails Program for their help.

Comment on Cycle the City Getting a Makeover by Jon Adams-Kollitz

Jon Adams-Kollitz — Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:39:20 +0000

Thank you Nic for pulling the pieces together and JDK for the generous amount of time and artistry you've put into this project. Burlington deserves first class design and infrastructure and we're getting it with this project.

Comment on Making Vermont a Mountain Biking Mecca by Robert

Robert — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:03:52 +0000

There's an interesting idea. If the trails look as good as the one in that little picture, then I just might think about taking my dutch bicycle out for s spin there.

Comment on The Invisible Bicycle Helmet — Fabulous or a Fad? by Todd

Todd — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:05:30 +0000

It's 600 dollars now, without all the import fees. The investors want their money back sooner rather than later, so for now it a shining example of safety narcissism (and could you wear this in the summer?).

Comment on Got $70 Burning a Hole in Your Pocket? by Michael

Michael — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:27:48 +0000

I would be ok with this if they also make a commitment to issue more tickets to cars that break the laws. I feel in this car-centric country there is an emphasis on 'more bike policing' while not looking at the ratio of cars receiving tickets. I see far more cars violate laws and be potential hazards every day over bikes, so this does not seem fair at all. It seems misguided. I think the cops do these kind of programs not for safety sake, but because bikes are easier to stop. I think they are just looking for added revenue streams. I disagree with this organization 'being on board' unless it looks into the ratio of cars being ticketed.

Comment on In Search of a Bike Without a Chain by Willard

Willard — Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:24:59 +0000

I’m exploring shaft-driven bicycles, currently gathering a list of all of these in the market (before I compare features and price). So far, I have found shaft-driven bicycles manufactured by Biomega, Dynamic Bicycles, and Beixo. Did you come across other manufacturers during your search for a transportation bicycle?

Comment on Vermont’s Bike-Friendly Ranking Surges! by Will Chamberlin

Will Chamberlin — Fri, 06 Jul 2012 15:54:13 +0000

We, a group of four to six men in our 60s and 70s are plannning to take a four or five day bike trip from inn to inn or something similar in the Middlebury area the third week in September. We are hoping to bike 20-25 miles a day and will be starting in Brandon.
We are wondering about car traffic and how much of a safety concern it will be for us.
The proposed route is as follows:
22 or a 32 mile route around Lake Dunmore in the National Forest
Wednesday: The biking loop is your choice of a 25 mile loop to the tiny boutique "city" of Vergennes, returning to Middlebury by a different route; a 17 mile version which does not reach Vergennes; or a 29 mile loop to the funky mountain village of Bristol.
Thursday: The door to door biking is 25 miles along a Champlain Bikeways ridge and then along some very pretty farmland into Brandon
Friday: The biking loop is a 25 mile field-and-forest route through three covered bridges of the Marble Valley

Comment on Amtrak’s Vermonter Looking at Bike Boardings … Again by Chapin

Chapin — Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:49:41 +0000

Amtrak’s study of bike access is on a slow track and we are not expecting bike access on the Vermonter this season. We’ll keep you posted.

Comment on Amtrak’s Vermonter Looking at Bike Boardings … Again by mike michon

mike michon — Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:52:16 +0000

I was planning on circumnavigating Lake Champlain on a bike on my sabbatical. I am in NYC right now, and just confirmed with Amtrak that they're not allowing bikes on the Vermonter, even folded within baggage. Does anyone have any news on this?

Incidentally, are they trying to encourage driving and seal their coffin?

Comment on And This Was Before Gas Was $4 / Gallon by Linda Fickbohm

Linda Fickbohm — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:25:38 +0000

Go Local Motion! Burlington will be on this list one of these days thanks to the work you do!

Comment on Amtrak’s Vermonter Looking at Bike Boardings … Again by BikeGuy

BikeGuy — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:17:47 +0000

It blows me away that this is so hard for Amtrak. My guess is 90% or more of the riders are on vacation, wouldn’t this be a no-brainer for them to be able to carry bikes for vacationers? Think of what that might do to help the bike touring outfits and B and Bs.

Comment on Amtrak’s Vermonter Looking at Bike Boardings … Again by JonB

JonB — Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:28:13 +0000

That would be outstanding. I live about 3 miles from the Hartford (CT) train station, and being able to roll my bike onto the Vermonter would sure ease VT touring. Is there any way I can help advocate for it?

Comment on Just How Amazing Is Skating On Malletts Bay? by George T

George T — Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:09:29 +0000

Lovely, lovely, and LOVELY! Thank you.

Comment on Amtrak’s Vermonter Looking at Bike Boardings … Again by VT_Cyclist

VT_Cyclist — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:20:25 +0000

This is very good news. Thanks to everyone who worked for this. I expect to use this a couple of times a year to visit family in Massachusetts.

Comment on SB Residents Seek to Transform Williston Road by Matt Boulanger

Matt Boulanger — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:41:12 +0000

So how did it go? It was on the agenda the same night as IZ, so i imagine that got top billing. Still, I'd love to see this go forward. Williston road is a huge transportation corridor and should not be set up solely for cars. The proposed road diet section has no business being 4 lanes anyway, not if you want the speed limits actually adhered to.

Comment on SB Residents Seek to Transform Williston Road by Annie

Annie — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:04:16 +0000

It's about time…I ride the sidewalk as I frequently shop on Williston Road. It's way too narrow and scary for me to pedal there. Complete Streets reconfiguration helped Colchester Avenue, why not Williston Road?

Comment on What Ever Happened to ‘Cycle-Skating’? by Annie

Annie — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:41:38 +0000

Oh my, what fun. I've never heard of cycle-skating either. It's one more way to have fun on our waterfront path.

I may have to post this on my blog.

Comment on Council Plans for Vermont’s Trail Future by Jessica Ricketson

Jessica Ricketson — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:17:12 +0000

Thanks for your great contributions Chapin! If you want to give us your feedback, please take our latest survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/YYJRZ66!

Comment on How Weather Affects Biking in Vermont by Dave Cain

Dave Cain — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:15:59 +0000

Great study. I know this year I've continued to bike intermittently way beyond when I've biked in previous years. Part of it is the weather part of it is greater confidence. Also having a generator hub/light system helps!

Comment on St. Albans City Wins Big Grant for Sidewalks & Paths by anniebikes

anniebikes — Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:29:11 +0000

Way to go St. Albans! I've always loved the Missisquoi Valley Rail Trail so it's good to see some action in the city center.

Comment on A Pedestrian Friendly Champlain Bridge by Harry Johnson

Harry Johnson — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:01:13 +0000

Very nice.. Maybe your new friends from Charlotte will have a chance to enjoy this too…

Harry & Sandy

Comment on A Pedestrian Friendly Champlain Bridge by The Citizen

The Citizen — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:23:43 +0000

Way to go Charlene and Jason! I can't wait to come back to Vermont and ride across! It's a beauty!

Comment on BTV Police Step Up Enforcement for Bike-Ped Safety by artichoke

artichoke — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:44:41 +0000

Thanks, Krista, for taking the time to insert a dose of reality in contrast to the subjective nonsense offered earlier. There’s no point arguing with someone whose allegiance to self interest permits him/her to believe traffic rules shouldn’t apply. Such people miss the point of traffic rules, which is predictable, coordinated actions predicated on logic and convention rather than private advantage and personal opinion. Such self-important people are immune to social considerations. The idea that different rules should apply to people of different ability, intention or temperament is simply idiotic. That said, I’d like to take particular issue with one especially obtuse claim: that bikers should be able to ignore rules “since it is only them who will pay the consequences of a ill-faited decision”.

That is too stupid to let pass. A bike struck running a red light to “maintain momentum and my place in the general traffic stream”; will result in the rider obviously, and justly, suffering the worst injury as a consequence of that “ill-faited [sic] decision”. Go directly from the hospital to jail, dunce. However, the innocent automobile driver suffers severe consequences as well. Put yourself in the driver seat in the middle of an intersection with blood and teeth suddenly splattered across your windscreen; how’s the rest of your life looking now? And what’s your opinion of bikes in traffic?

I’m a bike rider. Also obviously a pedestrian but in the debate about access to roads I’m a dyed-in-wool bike rider. It affects me directly when cars disrespect bikes. Part of that disrespect is arrogance on the part of drivers who think roads belong only to cars but part is arrogance on the part of riders who think rules of the road apply only to cars. Their overt, irresponsible actions make all bikers look like either children or scofflaws. That clown’s ill-fated decision making puts me at risk.

Comment on BTV Police Step Up Enforcement for Bike-Ped Safety by Krista

Krista — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:12:55 +0000

I applaud this new initiative, and think ALL offenders should be ticketed, regardless of mode of transportation. It’s simple – no matter who you are, you need to follow the rules, no matter how inconvenient they may be. This is just common sense and self preservation. It is rare that the cyclist is blamed when an incident with a vehicle occurs, even though it is often a result of their ignorance or disregard of even the most basic safety and traffic standards. I am all of the above (cyclist, pedestrian and motorist) and have seen more than my fair share of idiots out there who ignore traffic laws, but lately fellow cyclists and especially pedestrians on cell phones seem to be the worst offenders, while it is usually the vehicular offenses that are targeted. About time things got evened out a bit!

Comment on BTV Police Step Up Enforcement for Bike-Ped Safety by Jonathan slason

Jonathan slason — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:26:09 +0000

See this on-going debate. http://www.aktnz.co.nz/2011/11/20/should-cyclists…

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This as a post I put on my facebook page:
I completely agree that cyclists should be able to treat the facilities like 'yields' of 'give ways' since it is only them who will pay the consequences of a ill-faited decision. (obviously if they collide with someone then they are to blame, be it a Pedestrian or a vehicle).

I feel much safer trying to jump ahead of a light or at a stop sign to maintain momentum and my place in the general traf…fic stream vs. stopping and then starting slowly getting up to speed and then being passed again my all the vehicles behind me.

Like a recent crash I have had and the quote from my insurance broker… the cycle is an odd thing neither a vehicle-vehicle crash and neither a vehicle-pedestrian incident. They didn't know how to code it in their system showing both personal property damage and personal body damage.

The cycle is a mixture of the two modes and needs to have a separate set of laws and traffic behaviours associated with it.See More

Comment on BTV Police Step Up Enforcement for Bike-Ped Safety by patricia

patricia — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:19:42 +0000

barnstable bike cops in massachusetts are some of the guiltiest when it comes to violating traffic laws! drives us crazy!

Comment on Future LINK Buses to Double Bike Capacity! by Becka

Becka — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 06:44:58 +0000

Very nice. I was pleased to ride on the LINK buses recently — for a half-day bicycling trip to Burlington, from Montpelier — and the bus was amazingly full. Great job, CCTA / GMTA.

Comment on BTV Police Step Up Enforcement for Bike-Ped Safety by Guest

Guest — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:27:49 +0000

I can't count how many close calls I've had from motorists during the last seven years. I've been in the cross walk at Church and Cherry,College, or Bank, had a motorists barrell right at me, or roll at me instead of stopping…. while three cops stand in a group and chit-chat, totally oblivious. It happens a 100 times a day. Or how about motorists who just hit the accelorater when pulling out of parking garages or lots, without a care for bikes or pedestrians, even though they see them? Only 8 motorists cited and 16 pedestrians? How about a few dipshit skateboarders who purposely buzz pedestrians on the sidewalk?

Comment on BTV Police Step Up Enforcement for Bike-Ped Safety by meg

meg — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:28:48 +0000

I think that we aren't at the point where equal enforcement makes sense except maybe in the case of lights on your bike. Not all bikers should follow the same rules as vehicles, especially when the infrastructure (South Winooski Ave) is no where near safe enough for all bikes/cars to share the road. Using the bike lane on Union in the wrong way is often the safest and wisest choice. Not stopping at a stop sign to maintain momentum with a load on the back of your bike (when the coast is obviously clear) also makes sense. It feels like concessions are being made before needs are being met to make the city really bike safe and conscious. A lot of great work has been done to get some lanes marked here and there. Unlike cars, bikes tend to come in a spectrum of users that need to be treated differently: commuter high speed bikers, families, kids riding to school, tourists etc. I am not sure the transportation rules or planning take this into consideration.

Comment on Future LINK Buses to Double Bike Capacity! by Personalmoneynetwork

Personalmoneynetwork — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:50:07 +0000

Now, this is great. More bikes will be able to be transported onto these buses. It is good for the CCTA to be able to be provided with these funds for this type of public transportation.

Comment on Healthy Living Leads the Way with “Fix-It Stations” by Chris R

Chris R — Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:24:41 +0000

This is great. It would be nice if these fix-it oases had patch kits for the most common repair—punctured tubes. Some convenient dispensation, perhaps sold inside at the market, in this case. I’m curious to see what tools are there; will check it out next time I wheel by the area.

Comment on Submit Questions For Our Mayoral Candidate Questionnaire by Alan Gregory

Alan Gregory — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:40:50 +0000

One of the greatest things Americans can do – right now – to help their country, state and community is to turn off their car, park it, and start walking and bicycling. There is little wonder that there's an obesity epidemic these days. How will you turn our antiquated transportation sytem around?

Comment on Submit Questions For Our Mayoral Candidate Questionnaire by Kevin Kelley

Kevin Kelley — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:32:13 +0000

Will you commit to creating a fulltime position focused on alternate forms of transportation?
How soon will we see bike lanes added on Shelburne Road south of the rotary?
It's easy for candidates to say they will encourage cycling, walking and use of public transportation, but in addition, what initiatives will you take to discourage use of private automobiles in Burlington? (We won't successfully address the "climate emergency" until choice of transport mode isn't limited by the fear of death or injury that cars pose to cyclists in Burlington.)

Comment on Submit Questions For Our Mayoral Candidate Questionnaire by mike

mike — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:53:52 +0000

1. If elected mayor, will you walk or bike to your new job >75% of the time?
2. If elected mayor, will you shut off your car and honor the No Idling Law when parking to run into the Ace Hardware store on North Ave.? (I'm looking at you, Mr. Wright…)
3. Support road diets?
4. Greater enforcement of speed limits?
5. Fix the bike path, already?
6. So many more….

Comment on Submit Questions For Our Mayoral Candidate Questionnaire by robert herendeen

robert herendeen — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:36:52 +0000

1. Please kill the Southern Connector.
2. Please push hard for a bus terminal downtown, and for Greyhound to come back to downtown.
3. Please push hard for rail passenger service from downtown to Albany, Boston, NYC, and Montreal.

Comment on Fun 1-Minute Halloween Ride Video! by amilcar

amilcar — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 05:54:46 +0000

wasn't this started last year by the Burlington Bicycle Coalition? They rocked!!!!

Comment on Fixing South Burlington by Alan Gregory

Alan Gregory — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:35:39 +0000

While a pedestrian, I recently had a little encoutner in Essex Junction with an SUV. I was on the widwalk, in the midst of a five-mile exercise walk, when I began stepping across the lowered segment of sidewalk where a business parking lot entered. I was badly bumped by an SUV leaving the lot to enter Route 2A. Paramedics and police responded. I still can't believe this happened to me, having just moved to Williston in early June about four years after suffering a traumatic brain injury when struck by a car while bicycling in Pennsyvlania. People who chose to burn gasoline rather than calories need to wake up and really start sharing space with those who chose to walk, hike, and bicycle. Evern Vermont is far from ideal when it comes to the choice. As for Williston Road, only a major-major remake will make it safer for calorie burners.

Comment on 8,400 Thankyous to EMS & Nor’easter! by Chapin Spencer

Chapin Spencer — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:41:43 +0000

Thank you Nor'easter!
– The Local Motion Crew

Comment on David Byrne’s A Poem to Cyclists by Annie Follett

Annie Follett — Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:19:04 +0000

I am currently reading his book, Bicycle Diaries. It's wonderful. It would be coup to get David Byrne to come to Burlington…

Comment on David Byrne’s A Poem to Cyclists by Rob Gusky

Rob Gusky — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:18:23 +0000

Greetings from Wisconsin. Thanks for sharing this. Keep up the good work.

Comment on New Dutch Bike Commute Ad is Rad by Redwheels

Redwheels — Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:02:59 +0000

Very Rad Chapin!

Comment on LM Member Steve Barner Recommends a New York Bike Touring Opportunity by Joanne

Joanne — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:35:25 +0000

I plan to cycle from Saratoga to North Creek this fall; have lunch in North Creek, then return to Saratoga via the 3:45 train. Reviewing Google Maps and Map my ride for the best route.

Comment on LM Member Steve Barner Recommends a New York Bike Touring Opportunity by Bud Haas

Bud Haas — Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:34:29 +0000

Kathy and I, on a whim, after reading Steve's post, drove from eastern Vermont over to Riparius, the first stop south of North Creek, stayed at a nice motel, and rode south to Saratoga Springs the following morning, following Steve's cue sheet. It's a great ride south, and took us about 6 hours, including a fine lunch stop at the Upriver Cafe in Lake Lucerne. We took the late train back to Riparius, stayed overnight again, driving home in the morning. (Its a minimum four hour drive for us).
Folks in western Vermont could do the whole thing in one day, starting in North Creek or Riparius in the morning, if they're willing to drive back home after arriving back north on the train around 9:30 at night.
We had an informative visit both with the conductor and a "commuter" from NY City, who was using the Amtrak connection to join his family at their vacation home in Minerva, just above North Creek. By coordinating with Amtrak, and achieving a "passenger railroad certification", the line "contractors" hope to eventually break into the "local" passenger train business, by grabbing on to some of the state funds currently going to Amtrak.
There was one small glitch with Steve's cue sheet, where just south of Corinth, the directions lead only to a dead end. Instead, we easily cycled directly south on Main St, turning west on Starke, instead of using the "lost" Eggleston/Dorset/Barbara MacD directions.
Overall, the cue sheet and ride were fine, mostly quiet roads with beautiful views of the Hudson.
The SNC Rail Road ticket agent in Saratoga Springs was especially friendly and helpful. Her suggestion for dinner at the "Local" (pub and restaurant) was perfect.
Highly recommended.

Comment on New Dutch Bike Commute Ad is Rad by MjH

MjH — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:10:40 +0000

Cool but don't they believe in helmets on the heads there?

Comment on LM Member Steve Barner Recommends a New York Bike Touring Opportunity by Jeff Cohn

Jeff Cohn — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:12:52 +0000

Part 2. Yes it's a great train ride, too. Last Fall the previous operator Upper Hudson RR ran a special trip as far south as Hatley & there are great views of the Hudson en route. The new operator also makes several stops en route. If you are not sure of going the whole distance, there's a southbound train out of North Creek leaving @ 1250pm. Though it does not run all the way to Saratoga, you could probably map out a route from one of the stations as far south as Thurman, NY. In my own effort to use Google Maps to find a biking route, Google did not recognize "Saratoga and North Creek RR", only "Upper Hudson RR". If you make your own map, just type in "Amtrak SAR" to get the location of the Saratoga Springs depot shared by the tourist line & Amtrak's Ethan Allen Express and Adirondack trains.

Comment on LM Member Steve Barner Recommends a New York Bike Touring Opportunity by Jeff Cohn

Jeff Cohn — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:11:55 +0000

I've been intrigued by this ride since the RR began operations just over a month or so. Realistically, the only opportunity for cyclists is the 10am departure from Saratoga, whcih arrives North Creek 1219pm. I've not been able to determine elevations & climbs on the southbound cycling adventure, so comments by Steve are most helpful. But the days are quickly growing shorter & I figure it's at leastt a 5 hour ride to return to Saratoga Springs on a hybird, likely less on a road bike.

Comment on Local Motion catches oversight in Champlain Parkway Act 250 process by Liza

Liza — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:04:01 +0000

Whew. Good catch. Glad you're on the job.

Comment on Why it’s essential to report motorist harassment by Sheila

Sheila — Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:27:05 +0000

Thanks for posting about this. Cyclists sometimes think this type of behaviour should be tolerated because it happens so often but it's time to start reporting it every time it happens. I often have my cell phone within quick reach so that I can immediately grab it and take a photo of the offending vehicle as it's passing or speeding off. I can't memorize their license plate and try to keep my balance and calm while dealing with a harrassment situation but that photo will often give me and the police all the details we need to find the offender(s).

Comment on 5 Area Bike Shops Unite to Save Trail! by Chapin Spencer

Chapin Spencer — Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:06:21 +0000

Thank you to our awesome locally owned bike shops!

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Barbara

Barbara — Sun, 26 Jun 2011 02:25:00 +0000

So sad the damage to the bike path…..look forward to biking all the way through, jumping on that wonderful bike ferry and continuing on through the islands…..always a great summer time activity….maybe fed money will help…one can only hope…..

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Brian

Brian — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:49:23 +0000

This morning (6/15) there was a sign posted at the North Ave trail crossing that the trail was closed between North Ave and Starr Farm Road.

Comment on Higher (Bike Safety) Education by John

John — Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:35:41 +0000

As you suggest, Forester's thoughts on vehicular cycling are incredibly helpful for a large amount of cyclists, however I feel that following his advice in every circumstance is a foolish game to play. Here are my thoughts in the above scenarios:

1. I'd position to stay in line and wait. You'll avoid any unforeseen dangerous obstructions ahead and as an added bonus; drivers will appreciate your respect for the situation.

2. No, I don't think so. Though, I think it's fine to walk your bicycle through a crosswalk.

3. If there's a bike lane, and my trailer could easily maneuver to the intersection; I'd ride to it. However, if I couldn't make it to the intersection (due to narrow bike lane, or traffic blocking the lane); I'd position myself in the lane behind a vehicle and wait my turn.

In general, I think that experienced (and somewhat fast) riders can use Forester's advice in most situations. However, in snow, or with trailer, or just learning, etc, scenarios that do not allow for keeping a momentum consistent with traffic flow; a cyclist has to use her own judgement for best course of action that situation.

Comment on Teaming up with top cyclists to promote respectful riding by Eli

Eli — Tue, 31 May 2011 19:39:43 +0000

Single file would have been even better

Comment on Panoramic Views Document Trail Flooding by localmotion

localmotion — Mon, 30 May 2011 15:28:44 +0000

That's part of their *magic*. They use a special pole-mounted camera to get a great view, then apply some very talented Photoshop-ing skills to edit out the photographer below. Pretty neat, huh?

Comment on Panoramic Views Document Trail Flooding by Joe

Joe — Mon, 30 May 2011 15:23:26 +0000

It's creepy that there is no one taking the photo.

How did they take a photo from 10-15 feet up?

Comment on JDK Design Launches “Modern Mobility Movement” With Bike Café Opening by Chapin Spencer

Chapin Spencer — Fri, 27 May 2011 16:43:41 +0000

The cafe opened today. It's great — check it out! Say hi to the manager Jesse.

Comment on Trail Finder Tip :: Set your default view by Rob

Rob — Sat, 21 May 2011 12:26:55 +0000

sent screen shots to Todd. Had same experience with Google Chrome. While Firefox did locate me (in wrong state due to their Geo finder info) I couldn't save any result and refreshing screen makes everything under locate disappear. Still a tool I will bookmark and refer to often as it is easy and fast to navigate manually.

Comment on Trail Finder Tip :: Set your default view by localmotion

localmotion — Fri, 20 May 2011 20:34:56 +0000

Hum, that's odd. Would you be able to send a screenshot of this bug to todd at localmotion dot org? Glad you like the site otherwise. FYI, we categorize mountain biking trails as either "Unpaved Biking Trails" or "Unpaved Shared Use". You'll find Hinesburg Town Forest here http://trailfinder.info/trail.php?id=30 and lots of others here http://trailfinder.info/search.php?u=1.

Comment on Trail Finder Tip :: Set your default view by Rob

Rob — Fri, 20 May 2011 20:19:01 +0000

testing it now but it doesn't give me an option to enter a location and the wheel is just spinning on detect for several minutes now. I zoomed into my location with ease and love the page concept. Need an option for Mt. Bike in addition to unpaved road for places like Pine Hill park, Hinesburg town forest etc.

Comment on Trail Finder Tip :: Set your default view by David Jacobowitz

David Jacobowitz — Fri, 20 May 2011 18:27:17 +0000

This didn't work for me using Chrome. DJ

Comment on Panoramic Views Document Trail Flooding by Azur Moulaert

Azur Moulaert — Thu, 19 May 2011 18:04:39 +0000

Hey People! thanks for posting the link to our photos. I hope that they help bring much needed funds to the lake-shore communities that have been affected by these relentless rains. We made a whole map, located here: http://www.newspin360.com/news.php Crazy times.

Comment on Panoramic Views Document Trail Flooding by Kitty

Kitty — Tue, 17 May 2011 20:31:20 +0000

The 360° view is amazing – thanks!

Comment on Skirack Owners Open Patagonia Store Downtown! by Audrey

Audrey — Tue, 17 May 2011 14:01:54 +0000

Is there going to be more bike parking in front of the store than just having to lock your bike to a meter?

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Charles Sides

Charles Sides — Mon, 16 May 2011 00:10:20 +0000

While I know this is not equivalent to the disastrous floods in the Mississippi valley, it is sad to see perhaps the most beautiful bike trail in America virtually destroyed. For years we have taken day trips from Northern Massachusetts to Burlington just to ride it (and eat and shop, of course), as well as several vacations a year in the Stowe area that also included jaunts over to Burlington for the trail ride. If there are fund-raising efforts, I hope they will be posted.

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Chapin Spencer

Chapin Spencer — Sat, 14 May 2011 16:35:52 +0000

Neat 360 view Azur. Thanks! The trail-related erosion at Oakledge Park is fortunately limited to a 60' stretch of path that can be seen in this picture.

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Azur Moulaert

Azur Moulaert — Thu, 12 May 2011 15:16:00 +0000

Check out this panoramic view of the flooding at Oakledge Park: http://newspin360.com/tour/vt/news/floodmap2011/p…

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Alice

Alice — Tue, 10 May 2011 22:31:13 +0000

I am a one week annual visitor to this area of Vermont. Last year while training for the Maine Lung Association Trek Across Maine, my friend and I had the pleasure of riding the complete trail in Burlington. What a JOY! I brought my bike and my husband's this year so that I could show him how beautiful this trip is. I guess we won't be riding here this year. I wish everyone well on the clean-up. We're from coastal Maine.

Comment on CCTA Welcomes Back Bikes on All LINK Buses by Stephanie Potter

Stephanie Potter — Tue, 10 May 2011 18:02:06 +0000

Thank You! Riding out of Burlington, nord, is a bit rough around the edges. Love being able to ride to St. Albans. <3

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Aaron

Aaron — Thu, 05 May 2011 23:25:00 +0000

I know it's a bit early, but what's the likely fate of the Colchester Causeway? It looks like it's going to need pretty serious (and probably expensive) reconstructive work to be usable and safe again. I'm afraid this might mean the end of the causeway rides to the islands.

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Mary Harwood

Mary Harwood — Thu, 05 May 2011 22:24:00 +0000

Keep me posted and I’ll get all the news that fits in the South Hero column. Mary

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Annie too

Annie too — Thu, 05 May 2011 21:58:33 +0000

Please let us know how we can help as repairs get underway this summer. I see an abundance of volunteer work days in the future. . .

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by mark

mark — Thu, 05 May 2011 21:53:00 +0000

This stinks! Let us know how we can help when it comes to clean up time Chapin.

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Susan

Susan — Sun, 01 May 2011 18:02:28 +0000

The stretch of the bike path from North Ave north, leading to the Winooski Bridge, and over Delta Park, is closed (4/30/11). Yellow Police tape is in place. Please respect it. It is largely for the benefit of those who have had to leave their homes and face security issues.

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Annie

Annie — Sun, 01 May 2011 02:28:37 +0000

I thought it interesting that today I was stopped by the fire department at North Ave. and the bike path. No cyclists or pedestrians were allowed to travel north on the path and no explanation was given.

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by localmotion

localmotion — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:35:53 +0000

Just the places mentioned are closed at the moment, plus the Colchester side of the Causeway from the Law Island Bridge to the end. The rest of the path, including Oakledge Park to the Barge Canal and King Street to Airport Park, are still open and rideable. Enjoy!

Comment on Lake Level Damages Island Line Trail by Phil

Phil — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:22:39 +0000

Are the entire trails flooded or only the areas mentioned above? Can we still bike on the trails?

Comment on Reason #307 to Leave the Car at Home by Audrey

Audrey — Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:39:53 +0000

Three days later and the sidewalks and bike paths still aren't plowed…

Comment on Carshare Vermont is Stuck! by Chapin Spencer

Chapin Spencer — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 01:05:27 +0000

Wow, I was punchy that night, eh!?! Seriously though, please watch the video and consider joining CarShare VT. It will help you get around when walking, biking or taking the bus won't cut it. Transportation is the No. 1 polluter in Vermont. Do something about it! ~ Chapin

Comment on Help Us Get Spiked! by Aileen Lachs

Aileen Lachs — Sun, 06 Feb 2011 01:17:16 +0000

Local Motion deserves to be SPIKED! They are already spoked. And if they win the award they'll be stoked!

Comment on Vermonters Impatient for Lamoille Valley Rail Trail by judy wright

judy wright — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:42:50 +0000

Hi, I live off Patchen Rd in S Burlington; and I'm looking forward to a bike path along P. Rd.
Also Williston could really use one as it has no shoulder!!!
Thanks,
Judy

Comment on Help Us Get Spiked! by Jay Catalano

Jay Catalano — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:02:52 +0000

woo the spike! (10-4!)

Comment on Portland Transportation Leader Peddles Cycling Story by Matt Boulanger

Matt Boulanger — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:39:42 +0000

I'd love to see bike boxes along my commute. Look, I' as dedicated and fearless as the come. My commute involves getting between Williston and South Burlington either via Williston Road or the Tilley-Community-Kimball-Marshall "back door." Both of these routes have at least one really awful left turn where, fearless as I am otherwise, I have no confidence that I'm going to make it through unscathed. Coming home to South Burlington on Williston Road, I need to make the dreaded left turn onto Hinesburg Road. The logistics of getting a bike over into the left lane and then standing there at the green, waiting for the red so it can cycle back to the green arrow is maddening- spoils that entire route for me. My other "bad left" is coming home as well- left on to Community from Kimball at the intersection with Gregory- made worse by the blind hill and unsignalized nature of the intersection.

I love bike lanes and sharrows and all of that great stuff, but honestly I think the "one bad barrier" is what keeps more people from cycling. Some of those, like my intersections., are fixable, others, like bad weather or big hills are harder to fix.

Comment on Give Us Feedback: Intervale XC Ski Trail by theburlingtonhostel

theburlingtonhostel — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:58:18 +0000

If you're looking for affordable accomodations after hitting the trails, the Burlington Hostel is a great alternative to ski resorts. Right in the heart of down town Burlington, it provides an inexpensive and comfortable stay for skiers and travelers alike.

Comment on Video from Walk to School Day at Mallett’s Bay by Chapin Spencer

Chapin Spencer — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:40:11 +0000

Way to Go Colchester students! Thank you Lisa, Julie and Kathy!

Comment on Sweet Memories by Noah

Noah — Sun, 10 Oct 2010 01:26:21 +0000

Great story – thanks for sharing!!

Comment on ONE Recreation Path / aka Route 127 Path – Burlington by Tweets that mention Local Motion Blog » ONE Recreation Path / aka Route 127 Path – Burlington -- Topsy.com

Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:04:54 +0000

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Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Susan

Susan — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:44:38 +0000

No-way, Segway! Wheelchairs are one thing–for the rest: feet, skate, or bike (under your own power)! It gets crowded enough on weekends on the Burlington Bike Path. There are bound to be more accidents, and more serious ones, with Segways on the Path.

Comment on Sweet Memories by Chapin

Chapin — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:13:46 +0000

Nice job Kevin and Marion. I sure hope to still be riding when I'm 85!

Comment on Sweet Memories by Margot

Margot — Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:50:02 +0000

My face is damp. Must be the rain. Yes, it only rains on my cheeks, why do you ask?

Thanks Marion and Dee for your big open hearts, and thanks to Kevin for your gifted storytelling.

Comment on LM Member Urges ‘Sustainability Pledge’ by Kevin

Kevin — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:21:50 +0000

Chapin,

Thanks for the post. I spent some time reading through George's VSOP.org site this morning and found a lot of good information to contemplate. I've joined those who've taken the pledge.

Best,
Kevin

Comment on Vermonters Impatient for Lamoille Valley Rail Trail by Chapin Spencer

Chapin Spencer — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 15:53:07 +0000

Thanks Karen! This project is as they say "too big to fail". It has such tourism and health benefits for the entire northern part of our state. We all need to pitch in and see what we can do. If people want to get involved, contact Chapin at Local Motion 802-861-2700×105.

Comment on Vermonters Impatient for Lamoille Valley Rail Trail by Karen Akins

Karen Akins — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:00:18 +0000

Sorry to have missed it last night. You are doing the right thing, trying to expand awareness beyond the people already involved. It is amazing how few people even in Stowe know about the LVRT trail, although there was a headline in the Stowe Reporter about it last week. Hope you will encourage them to expand their base of supporters.

This trail project must go forward. It is a shame that the noise impacts are endangering the project. How about stronger noise legislation directed at snowmobiles.? Let me know what I can do. Keep up the good work!

Comment on Shelburne Builds 1/2 Mile Sidewalk by Steven Antinozzi

Steven Antinozzi — Wed, 09 Jun 2010 01:48:36 +0000

June 6th. . . the sidewalk is now complete.

Come out for a test walk!

Comment on Preview the Revamped Trail Finder by Margot

Margot — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:50:05 +0000

Congratulations, Todd! The new site is fabulous. Thanks for all your creativity and energy that contributes to Local Motion's success!

Comment on Lessons From Portland by Margot

Margot — Wed, 26 May 2010 00:06:26 +0000

Kevin, Thanks for the great photos, reports and stories from Portland! Very interesting and inspiring.

It's good that there are cities trying new transportation solutions.

Comment on Burlington Has a Lot to Learn from Boulder by Kevin Kelley

Kevin Kelley — Tue, 18 May 2010 16:32:45 +0000

Yes, Burl has a lot to learn from Bould, bikewise. I commuted from Boulder to Denver during the 08 Dem Con, and was pleased to see how relatively enlightened both places are in their transport policies/infrastructure. One nice touch, in addition to those Chapin and Beth mention, is the 6-bike racks on the Boulder-Denver commuter buses. CCTA should do the same, at least 6 mos of the year. I've been stranded more than once because the 2-bike racks were full. Boulder also has a better developed in-town bike lane/path system than does Burl, apart from the waterfront. Sorry to carp — and I do appreciate all of LoMo's efforts and achievements — but Winooski Ave from Pearl to Main streets is a cyclist death trap; street's in terrible condition, esp southbound and there's no space at all for bikes on a 4-lane road that's really the only convenient N-S route downtown.

Comment on Burlington Has a Lot to Learn from Boulder by Chapin Spencer

Chapin Spencer — Mon, 17 May 2010 22:13:09 +0000

Good ideas. Many of us on the trip did discuss how Burlington could explore a larger, more encompassing downtown district. Many of us were intrigued by the thought of having businesses within the waterfront and downtown area all working together to further strengthen Burlington's commercial core. Your experience in Maine, and your knowledge of Burlington, will be a valuable resource as we talk more. Stay in touch Beth!

Comment on Burlington Has a Lot to Learn from Boulder by Beth Humstone

Beth Humstone — Mon, 17 May 2010 21:03:23 +0000

The Church Street Marketplace is Burlington's downtown "business improvement district." It does extend along several side streets now in addition to Church St. The Burlington Business Association covers a bigger area – I think most of downtown. I am on the board of the Portland (Maine) Business Improvement District and it covers all of downtown including the Old Port, the Arts District. As a resident, I am assessed fees to support the district. Burlington might want to consider bringing residents in to support the district.

Comment on Winter Returns? by Danielle

Danielle — Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:53:32 +0000

I expected to see Willem pulling the ski groomer down the bike path! Stay warm.

Comment on Terry Bicycles Casting Call by Diana Hanks

Diana Hanks — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:27:05 +0000

I can understand their need for the perfect model type women in their adds, but they also want to sell to a larger group of women than just that age group. It's interesting that they wouldn't want fit older women as well. Other outdoor equipment companies are starting to use some fit middle aged people along with the perfect models.

Comment on Sammy D. Rides Again by Local Motion Blog » Community Makes Big Art

Local Motion Blog » Community Makes Big Art — Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:46:37 +0000

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Comment on Where the Sidewalk Ends by Chapin Spencer

Chapin Spencer — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:27:58 +0000

LOCAL MOTION UPDATE:

The Public Works Commission voted to approve the construction of a sidewalk
from DeForest Heights to Cliff St. on April 14 at a cost of $20,000 to the
city. This is a 60' section of sidewalk that will connect pedestrians from
the hill section who are going to Edmunds school and downtown. In
a "mobility study" of the Cliff St. area, it was identified as an important
connection in the sidewalk network to complete. The intersection at Cliff
and Willard is a dangerous one since there are sidewalks only on the west
side and no crosswalk across Willard St.; when the new sidewalk section is
built, a crosswalk across Willard St. on the south side of the intersection
will be installed as well.

Public works staff designed two alternatives to choose from, one costing
$20,000 and one costing $58,000. Unfortunately the $20,000 choice meant
that 5 parking spaces will be lost on the west side of Willard St. Two
residents on Willard St. are very disappointed that they will be losing
parking in front of their homes.

A big THANK YOU to Public Works staff, who did a great job of designing the
alternatives and patiently worked through the public process to get this
approved. THANKS to Public Works commissioners who asked a lot of good
questions and worked hard to balance concerns of both the general public and
the affected neighbors. THANK YOU to residents and advocates who came out to
support the project.

Comment on Feds Adopt Complete Streets Policy! by Jay Vos

Jay Vos — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:42:12 +0000

Related: Toronto adopts Dutch ‘woonerf’ street design: "Woonerfs are streets where the boundaries between the areas for drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians have been eradicated on purpose, making them true shared spaces; and Toronto wants one."
http://www.24oranges.nl/2010/03/29/toronto-adopti…
Maybe an idea for Burlington, too?

Comment on Local Motion to convene “Citizens’ Committee on the Champlain Parkway” by bob herendeen

bob herendeen — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:08:47 +0000

# How can the project be made to enhance the local business climate and increase commercial property values along Pine Street and surrounding commercial areas?
# How can the project be made to improve safety and create a more attractive environment throughout the immediate project corridor for people on foot, on bike, and in wheelchairs?

Unless the road is placed underground I am afraid these two goals are mutually contradictory in the short term. If it isn't built, in the long term the two goals are mutually supporting in a world with less car vehicle traffic and more public transport. If we build it, the long term goal is pushed farther into the future, and made more difficult to achieve.
Is it a done deal?

Comment on Local Motion to convene “Citizens’ Committee on the Champlain Parkway” by Wayne Senville

Wayne Senville — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:04:50 +0000

Just to let folks know that the Burlington Planning Commission will be considering the language in the draft Burlington Transportation Plan now under review — that includes reference to the Southern Connector. Discussion of the draft Plan will be on our Agenda for Tuesday evening, March 23rd. For details about time & location of the Planning Commission meeting either check the City of Burlington web site where commission meeting agendas are posted, or call the Planning Department office.

Comment on Local Motion to convene “Citizens’ Committee on the Champlain Parkway” by carolyn

carolyn — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:50:50 +0000

These are very important things to be concerned about:

1. We need to be sure
a. there is a fast small transport bus that goes up and down pine st. like what they have in Boulder CO. from and to park and ride
b. there is a park and ride at exit off rte 189…please research out that kmart shopping center and find out who owns it.
c. that sidewalks run up and down pine st the entire length, with places to sit and rest.
trees line pine st.

2. if the parkway is not built that the land is used for fast transit, and for foot and bike traffic, dog park, and a small community center with restrooms, vending machine? small place to eat? place to meet for ward 5 and others?

3. Regardless we need to be sure there are signs for trucks to go from rte 7 north onto rte 189 to rte 89 ASAP.

4. add a stop light at Howard and Pine

5. Be sure that neighborhoods are not decimated, with people sidetracking traffic build up.

6. Be sure that local vermonters get to build this thing, NOT OUT of staters.
(like they did for BT they came from Maine!)

7. Personally
Having a big road is folly. The only benefit is that there will be more money for more jobs for the construction. We need mass transit, not more cars into Burlington. And let us get
get more trains to carry freight, instead of so many trucks.

Carolyn

Comment on Exciting News from Google Means Big Gains for Trail Finder by localmotion

localmotion — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:40:29 +0000

Hey Ethan – There is indeed a way to flag issues like this. In Google Maps, just click on the "Report a problem" link at the bottom of the map or directions. A form will pop up and once submitted, Google will follow-up within a month!
You are correct, biking on Church Street is not allowed, and we recently sent a report to Google about it. Keep an eye out for other problems like this (misspelled street names, paths where cars are allowed when they shouldn't be, suggested bike routes that are dangerous, etc). Reporting them improves the map for everyone!

Comment on Exciting News from Google Means Big Gains for Trail Finder by Ethan Goldman

Ethan Goldman — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:11:19 +0000

That's excellent; it correctly plotted my personal favorite ride to work: a little out of the way, but mostly on the bike path. I noticed that it includes Church St. as a bike route (though it indicates that cars are excluded). I believe that biking on the pedestrian mall is not allowed; does anyone know if there's a good way to suggest changes to Google?

Comment on Recent Bike Path Plowing Explained by Ron Manganiello

Ron Manganiello — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:55:00 +0000

I'm all for plowing and sanding the bike path. Burlington winters rarely provide the conditions for skiing or snow shoeing on the path. A plowed and sanded path would allow daily pedestrian and bike use of the beautiful path and a break from riding on roads made narrower by snow banks. I've been told that in Madison, they plow the bike paths before the roads.

Comment on Victory! Sidewalks & Shoulders for Champlain Bridge by Doug

Doug — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:04:41 +0000

Every little thing counts. For me, this is the best thing to come out of the whole bridge "thing".

Comment on Victory! Sidewalks & Shoulders for Champlain Bridge by Aaron Collins

Aaron Collins — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:11:29 +0000

All I can say is, WOOHOO!!!!!!

Comment on Bikeshare Design Challenge by Chapin Spencer

Chapin Spencer — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:54:51 +0000

Local Motion is researching bike sharing efforts and looking to see if something like this could work in Burlington. Our super volunteer Silas Bronson is leading the charge. Send any ideas to him at "silas at localmotion.org"

Comment on Bikeshare Design Challenge by Jay

Jay — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:32:57 +0000

The idea reminds me of the white bicycle plan in Amsterdam promoted by the Provo movement in the mid-1960s.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by mike

mike — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:48:02 +0000

actually, you are taller than most people on a segway, and i think others would agree that actually using the device as an aid to mobility – truly as a powered wheelchair – would be welcomed.

but this isn't about ADA access to the bike path. i thought we were talking about tour groups?

and in all my 3x+ (more in the summer) weekly use of the lakefront path from NNE into town and back – i can count on 1 hand how often i've seen a powered wheelchair.

and i've never seen a segway.

Comment on Recent Bike Path Plowing Explained by mike

mike — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:39:48 +0000

Inconvenience? Not at all. I'm loving the plowed path to get to and from town… keeping me off North Ave. Studs people. And fat tires.

Ski to the left or right… walk and bike down the center. Thanks BED!

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Suzanne

Suzanne — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:59:55 +0000

I would suggest that the use of Segways on the bikepath be limited to the disabled, and a "Disabled" flag provided, as is the case for tags on cars at "Disabled" parking places.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Rick Sharp

Rick Sharp — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:40:09 +0000

So to Robert Herendeen and other fellow Local Motion members that would ban Segways from the bike path, I say try spending four months in a wheelchair and then tell me whether you would prefer the indignity of a wheelchair to the dignity of a Segway before you forever condemn disabled people to wheelchairs in order to enjoy the bike path.
The ADA (Americans with Disablities Act) requires municipalities to reasonably accommodate people with disablities. I submit that condemning disabled people that can stand to the indignity of a motorized wheelchair in order to enjoy the bike path is a violation of the ADA. Under the ADA, we, the disabled have an inalienable legal right to enjoy the bike path on a Segway. As a lawyer who helped create the bike path, I'd be happy to be the test case that proves that point.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Rick Sharp

Rick Sharp — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:26:46 +0000

In 1996 I broke my spine and spent four months in a wheel chair. So I know firsthand the difficulty and indignity of having to roll around in a seated position and talk to people with my eye balls at their crotch or butt level. Fortunately my spine healed and I was able to walk again and look people in the eye when I talk to them, even if I need the assistance of a cane and walk with a severe limp. I cannont walk more than a hundred yards without great difficulty.
Consequently I was never able tom enjoy the extension of the bike path I worked so hard to create in the 1980s out onto the causeway in Colchester. Not until I purchased a Segway last year that is. Riding the Segway is a truely liberating experience that allows me to travel miles on the bike path and talk to people I meet eye to eye. It provides me and other disabled people like me that can stand the dignity that a wheelchair never will.

Comment on Give Us Feedback: Intervale XC Ski Trail by Dan Cahill

Dan Cahill — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:01:51 +0000

Trails were great today. I saw at least 30 fellow skiers while on the trails (between 11:00am-12:00pm). Recreational traffic was flowing smoothly and conditions were ideal.

Keep up the great work!

Comment on Give Us Feedback: Intervale XC Ski Trail by Bob Leidy

Bob Leidy — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:28:46 +0000

WOW. The skiing this morning was fantastic. The trails are groomed beautifully for both classic and skating (although there is an occasional corn stalk to make it interesting). Thanks so much for making this beautiful natural resource so easy to cruise through.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Zeke

Zeke — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:43:11 +0000

I agree. I don't think segways belong on the bike path. The path is meant for non-motorized use, and it can already be pretty crowded. Aside from being motorized, they seem fairly wide compared to a walking person or a bike.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by bob herendeen

bob herendeen — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:46:21 +0000

Just got my Local Motion Annual Report. A stunning list of accomplishments by energetic people. Congratulations….another reason to be proud to live in Burlington.
In that report, I note that Local Motion's logo shows people biking, walking, running, roller-blading, and skiing. It shows NO non-human propulsion. I also note that Adele Dienno starts her column by saying "Our mission is [to] get people of all ages active." To me these features of the Annual Reports say: NO motorcycles, ATVs, dune buggies, motor scooters, rider mowers, snowmobiles, half-tracks, power sleds, electric scooters, segways, or as-yet-unthought-of and -unmarketed terrestrial motor craft. Let's spend 30 seconds firmly nixing segways, and get back to the vision of Local Motion and the great things it is doing and planning.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Huck

Huck — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:08:32 +0000

It think it all comes down to number of users/ party size per each group of tourists. 1-3 per group not worreis, but ten to a dozen lazy [people] loitering and making passage slow/ impossible for traffic. It creates issues. GeT oUT of mY Way ….

Might as well let them do it for a season and tweek it to make it blend in and not stand out. as part of a greener VT earnign my tourist $$. Capitalizm and all.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by mike

mike — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:43:47 +0000

RSharp –

Alternate forms of transportation – how about bikes and feet and anything 'human' powered. How about we say Segways are OK as a mobility device akin to wheelchairs, walkers, and personal jetpacks and helicopters.

How about we use existing technology – proven technology, democratic technology that most Vermonters can afford – bikes and shoes are cheap – and they don't need Vermont Yankee to charge them up!! Segways are greenwashing at its best… they need power, high tech electronics, specialized service, top down fabrication, control, etc..etc. etc. etc… add in that the company lobbied legislators to gain favored status for its device… not very democratic, for sure.

If they are powered they belong with all the other powered vehicles… why not widen the path to allow electric smart cars? e-ATVs, and Prius' only running on battery juice? Surely these are 'alternate' forms of transportation.

Lets work on several problems at once: obesity, transportation, and greenhouse gas emissions. Bikes and feet work really well here.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by rsharp

rsharp — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:26:28 +0000

Most of the Burlington Bike Path was built on a former railroad bed. That railroad bed was wide enough to accomodate railroad trains. Surely there is enough room there to accomodate pedestians, bikes, in-line skates, skateboards and yes, even segways. If the path needs to be improved and widened, do it. The fact that this path gets that much use is good. Its great to see the evolution of the use of this right-of-way from railroad to bike path to include the brand new technology of segways, all within a 30 year period. Segways belong on the bike path. We should all be embracing this new technology as another step toward moving from a society that depends far too much on the internal combustion engine to alturnate forms of transportation.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Phil Hammerslough

Phil Hammerslough — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:32:32 +0000

The Segway is an innovative and useful vehicle. However it is not human powered or human assist powered. Additionally, it weighs a lot more than the average bike, or trike. As such, it should be subject to certain limitations in its use.

With regard to the bike path I like the idea of a trial period for the machine,, and would limit it to weekdays during peak weekends and holidays. The company is using a public resource to make money, and as such should pay a fee for the privilege.

As for Segways on the sidewalk, they don’t belong there any more than bicycles do. Their speed and weight make them a hazard to pedestrians.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by George Webb

George Webb — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:45:40 +0000

I think the Burlington bike path should not be open to Segways, or to any other devices that aren't human powered, with the possible exception of powered wheel chairs for those who need them.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Becka

Becka — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:28:05 +0000

Segways should be permitted only for people who need them for accessibility. Segways should be treated akin to motorized wheelchairs, which are permitted on non-motorized facilities as a matter of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Segways should not be permitted as a hedonistic recreational experience for those who could just as easily walk or bike!

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Gerry Malavenda

Gerry Malavenda — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:41:04 +0000

Hey Kevin.

I would be opposed to Segways on the bike path. First, the business that wants this to occur is talking about operating on weekends when the path is most crowded. Secondly, the operators of these Segeays would be novice/first time users that would make them more accident prone. Thirdly, a majority would probably fit the defination of the Ugly Americans i.e. yahoos with too much money and body mass. Put the segways on the road where they belong.

Gerry Malavneda
South Burlington VT
802 651 0502

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by evenkeel22

evenkeel22 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:18:25 +0000

For years, my wife and I have traveled from NJ to vacation in the Burlington area, mainly because of the magnificent bike path that runs along and into Lake Champlain, bike ferry and all. And as a rail trail advocate, it has always been my opinion that such trails are designed ONLY for non-motorized travel (wheel chairs excepted for good reason). Whenever I read about the benefits of railtrails, number one is usually exercise and good health. And I can't see the benefit of having people avoid those benefits by getting on a machine on what is supposed to be a SAFE, OFFROAD path. And, of course, motorized vehicles shouldn't be on rail trails for safety reasons. So, no, I don't think segways belong on rail trails, just like ATVs don't belong on rail trails. Kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?!

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Deb

Deb — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:48:10 +0000

I find the Burlington Bike Path already crowded and dangerous, particularly around the Waterfront Park area. Many users seem to have no idea of trail etiquette or even common-sense safety! I've experienced many near-miss encounters with roller-bladers, dog-walkers with long leashes, and other bike riders. Putting segways into the mix is asking for more trouble. It would be better to focus on trail safety and common rules of trail use.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Suzanne

Suzanne — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:12:25 +0000

I'm opposed to motorized use of the bikepath. It will get very crowded, and even more unsafe than it is during summer weekends. I don't think, given budget constraints, that there will be enough policing, and there is already much irresponsibility (cell phones used by clueless bicyclists/pedestrians, pedestrians walking 2-4 abreast, cyclists not bicycling single file, people stopping suddenly without looking around to see whether a bicyclist is behind them). Also, I foresee motorized scooters streaking along and other motorized vehicles on the increase, because of the PRECEDENT of Segways.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by JJK

JJK — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:38:32 +0000

As for disc gold, why not set up certain hours and a portable course at certain parks with fields already cleared. Why clear/widen trails in a wooded area? I see our park fields sit empty a lot. Why not do a portable golf course with certain days/hours of the week designated for it?

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by JJK

JJK — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:30:47 +0000

4) Segways not safe on bike path. Didn't George Bush wipe out on one? Do you really want novice (beginner) Segway riders riding around near mom's with strollers, young kids, etc.
5) Segways are not going to be a big tourist draw. SERIOUSLY, how many people are going to come to Burlington for a Segway tour?

Accessibility- I am all for having electric wheel chairs on the bike path to provide accessibility, but I am not in favor of able bodied people riding Segways.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by JJ

JJ — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:28:43 +0000

When looking at this debate, I tried to do sopme research.
1) First of all the business is not even located in Burlington and the owner lives in Underhill. What income is BURLINGTON going to see from this????
2) Segways are not environmentally friendly when you compare them to biking or walking. The amount of fossil fuels to produce a Segway is A LOT more energy than it takes to produce, not to mention the hazardous chemicals in the battery and used in production. They also run on electricity which is not environmentally friendly when we look at how we are producing it (coal power plants, nuclear plants, ect).
3) The bike path is extremely crowded on nice days. Parks and Recs cannot even police it properly now, so adding more traffic is just increasing the chances of an accident. If went to Leddy Beach in the summer time this past summer, you would see dogs on the beach, open alcoholic containers, people smoking pot, etc. It is extremely crowded now, but they are not charging admission to it.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by mike

mike — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:08 +0000

Lea –

Let's just hope that it doesn't go the way of the ANR's response to allow ATVs on certain public lands after OVERWHELMING calls against it.

RE: user fees? Can we set up an EZ Pass for the bikepath? Tolls? Would early morning dog walkers pay more or less than a cyclist getting to work or heading in for groceries? Can we do congestion pricing – esp. when the inebriated college kids take up the full width of the path from North Beach all the way into town?

What if I ride / walk more than I drive? I'm still paying a hefty chunk of taxes for roads I do not use as much as someone who commutes 30-40 miles every day… I think I'm overpaying into the system and I still have to fight for a safe intersection @ North Ave and 127, proper maintenance on the lakefront path, and pedestrian signals that work without standing around for several minutes in the rain and snow while the folks in metal and glass boxes out of the elements units cruise by unimpeded with home entertainment systems, coffee, and creature comforts!

I agree on the popularity contest stuff. Disc Golf at Leddy seemed a failure of having a proper vetting process in place for new uses… and that turned into a circus of sorts for the NNE. Hopefully a new vision and leadership at Parks will help future uses and proposals go through more smoothly…

And speaking of Leddy… lots and lots of off leash dogs running about. Even spotted a certain former councilor president hastily calling his pooch to his side on one of my early morning sojourns! Flying discs and uncontrolled dogs – I'm not sure which I would choose as the more dangerous element!

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Lea Terhune

Lea Terhune — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:55:11 +0000

No segways on bike path until the path is widened and increased maintenance costs are covered by user fees. The path is narrow and congested, and breaking down in some areas. Enjoyment and safety depend on regular maintenance, and taxes weren't raising enough to cover maintenance of roads, sidewalks and bike path in recent years so last year we had to increase taxes. Sometimes it seems like the Parks Commissioners aren't very familiar with the path. They certainly weren't familiar with the walking trails in Leddy Park when they approved an 18 hole disc golf course there, and they didn‘t know much about disc golf either. This segway idea seems like more of the same ignorance of the realities of current use, consequences of the proposed new use, and public safety. They turn the issue into a popularity contest, but it's not about whether we like disc golf or segways, it's about safe use for everyone. I wish the Parks Commission would use common sense and not create these divisive issues that tear the fabric of community at a time when we need to hang together.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by mike

mike — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:01:55 +0000

I can't tell if this is for real, sarcasm, or delusion. But it is a funny read on a Saturday morning! The reference of a certain industrialist and his machine is fairly apt, intentional or not, as they have choked the life out of many of our cities, added to congestion, created the model for sprawl, etc. etc.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by BTV Crew

BTV Crew — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:29:42 +0000

The biggest question is just where to start ??? I say yes to the Segways on the bike path. One comment that seems to be continual in this discussion is the speed of the Segway. The top rated speed is 12.5 MPH's and in the proposal it is said that they would only travel at 8 MPH's. Some say ohhh this is much to fast. I'm a frequent user of the bike path. I use it as a training facility for my leg of the VT City Marathon. I run a relatively slow pace of about 6 MPH's. I'm constantly passed by bikes who whizzzz by me at well over the 15 MPH limit. If any of you have ever ridden a Segway you will also know, for a fact, that a Segway will stop much faster than a bike traveling at 15 + MPH's. Don't even consider arguing that point unless you have ridden the Segway and can prove me incorrect. Another area of discussion is the physical footprint of the Segway. It is virtually not much wider than your shoulders. It is about 33 inches from one side to the other. How wide is a baby carriage or that baby carrier you tow behind your bike ?

There has been talk about the congestion it will create on the bike path. I suspect that Henry Ford heard that same argument all that many years ago but somehow we pushed ahead with technology. We did manage to get rid of all those horse and buggy folks once and for all. How many years ago was it that we didn't have a place on many of our main roads specifically for bicycles and now we have places on the road designated just for them. Are we OK with that ???? In a very best case scenario 802Segway may …. MAY put 5000 additional people on the bike path per year. With a population of over 150,000 per year the additional MAXIMUM of 5K is a mere drop. Again that would be if he ran three full tours per day and just ask any tourism business and I'm sure you'll see that not every tour is booked solid and we all know that VT weather is seldom co-operative.

Permitting specific places on the bike path as suggested by one poster would be a waste of the Parks & Rec Commissions time. Yes … make him operate on the worst part of the path. It isn't his fault the path is in its current condition. As a matter of fact he is willing to pay a user fee unlike so many of the other business's that utilize the path. Is that a bad thing ??? By allowing him use of the path it will grow his business and increase revenue for the Parks & Rec Dept.

Some have suggested that there will be no control of those who rent the Segways for the tours. You obviously have not ever experienced a Segway tour. He has trained personnel who will abide by the rules set up in the proposal. It will only benefit everyone involved. It will make for a safe and enjoyable experience for the tourist, it will prove to all the naysayers that Mr. Snyder will abide by his word. Another view of this is that in speaking with Jeff I learned that up to 12 people could be employed by his company. That's probably 12 people right now who are looking for work. How can that be bad ?

No doubt there are obstacles to cross with this proposal. Henry Ford heard the same complaints. Where would you be without your car, truck, SUV, motorcycle … today ??? If nothing else offer up the trial period which would prove one way or the other that this is a plan that can or cannot work.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by bob herendeen

bob herendeen — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:00:06 +0000

Electric wheelchairs are probably OK for the disabled. If we really want all folks, including the slightly infirm, to use the bike path, let's use human powered jitneys-some version of a pedal-powered rickshaw. That would accomodate the demand and maintain the pace and relative serenity and safety of the bike path-by keeping motors off.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by mike

mike — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:21:15 +0000

No, I don't support the racer guys and gals who tear up the bike path. If you are racing, a multi-use path is not the place for it.

The path(s) require respect, care, and good sense. There are times and places to go fast – but those times and places are early mornings, late nights, and in the fouler weather.

And you might find that some folks who ride to work and to play are against noise / air pollution – as well as some new fangled gadget that is $$$$$$$$$$$$. And they are probably all for fixing the access issues at local schools and businesses.

But this isn't about access… this is about special status to a device that was heavily lobbied and in my opinion does not deserve the same rights as a pedestrian.

Imagine adding Segways to the mix when the waterfront festival is happening, or after 4th fireworks… or any weekend when the sun is out, temps are mild, and the lake is calling for a swim…

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by mike

mike — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:17:22 +0000

Yup, I find it humorous that you can smoke on Church St. as well… but bikes are required to be walked for good reason.

As to the 'on the left' and such – there are times when I wish to pass someone just by taking the dirt path and gliding by… I use a bell, have called out 'on the left', clicked my brakes, and shouted good morning. Regardless – there are some folks who turn, look, move the direction I just called out I would occupy, and stand stunned in the center of the lane. I've given up using the path to get anywhere quickly by bike during rush and nice days (and weekends, festivals, etc…) Too many people, too much varying speeds, and too little regard for other users.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by mike

mike — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:13:59 +0000

BenMac – Lets hope you mean CARS being in the bike lanes… as bikes have the use of the full lane when required for safe passage.

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Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by John McMurry

John McMurry — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:38:16 +0000

Why the personal attack? Regardless of the appropriate legal language, Randy's opinion is clear.

What is your opinion? Do you feel that it is appropriate to allow motorized vehicles on the Burlington Bike Path? With what logic are your feelings based upon?

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Another Guest

Another Guest — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:22:54 +0000

Reply to Randy: The Burlington Bikepath for all practical and legal purposes, is a recreational path. The original proposers were bicycle enthusiasts but they recognized that it would and should be used by more than bicyclists and included those usages in grants and proposals even as the Bikepath moniker was used in the official naming. Using your logic, they would have indicated the path was to be used only by bikes, their proposals and requests would have been rejected out of hand by Federal, state and city officials, no funds would have been awarded, and a pair of abandoned RR tracks would still run from the Burlington waterfront to the Winooski River and beyond. We can only be thankful you didn’t write the proposals and grant requests.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by BenMac

BenMac — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:41:52 +0000

Given how well the city of Burlington enforces the laws concerning bike lane use on its streets (which is to say, not at all), I find the idea of the city regulating and enforcing rules concerning motorized traffic on the bike path entirely laughable.

As Randy stated above, motorized devices do not belong on the bike path (with the exception of those with health related mobility issues).

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Randy_Rowland

Randy_Rowland — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:44:55 +0000

Motorized devices do not belong on the bike path. Possible exception: those who are mobility challenged might be allowed to enjoy the path with the aid of a Segway. How you certify someone is "mobility challenged" then becomes the issue. The path was never intended to allow those with a fair degree of mobility to use anything other than their own power to enjoy the path. otherwise it would have been called a "recreational trail", not a bike path.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Guest

Guest — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:30:36 +0000

Let's get some perspective…we have a small business trying to offer people the opportunity to try something new, have a good time, enjoy the beauty of Vermont (rather than zipping through it without warning or suffocating it with profanity and cigarette smoke), and maybe even earn a living while they're at it (god forbid). If people are worried about this "opening the doors" to other forms of transport, then we need to make things specific as far as what is allowed. I fully support 802-Segway's mission, and my hope is that the city of Burlington sees it as I do. I mean, is it safe for me to assume (and yes, I know "what happens when you assume"…I'm not 12, we're all adults), that the same people that are opposed to Segways, not only support "experienced" bike riders with no courtesy and air/noise pollution, but also are ok with the fact that there are several restaurants in downtown Burlington without handicapped accessible entrances or bathrooms?

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Guest

Guest — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:28:27 +0000

I see absolutely no problem with allowing Segways on the Burlington Bike Path or the downtown area. Let's face it, if we're talking about injuries, I'm more likely to get plowed down by an "experienced" bike rider that is going well above the 15 mph speed limit, who conveniently forgets to say, "On your left" as they zip by me and my beautiful daughter (who is in her stroller)…and as far as getting "hurt" on Church Street or the downtown area, I'm more likely to get cancer from all of the second hand smoke that we allow to crowd around every entrance and exit, not to mention the insane noise pollution of hearing people yell profanities to each other across Church Street…and we're worried about guided tours of Segways?

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Guest

Guest — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:27:41 +0000

After reading all of the comments posted, I have to say ignorance is bliss. As a former resident of NYC, I have experienced crowded streets that make Church Street look like a pasture with grazing cows. Segways were becoming a popular mode of transportation on NYC streets, going very smoothly with the day-to-day "traffic" of a busy sidewalk.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Guest

Guest — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:59:06 +0000

I understand your point…however, I have experienced almost being knocked over by bike riders (clearly not going the 15mph) that didn't have the common courtesy to say "On your left" before they went by…

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Karen Freudenberger

Karen Freudenberger — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:04:08 +0000

I agree with comments that the Segways would be disastrous downtown. But I think that they would also cause major problems on the bikepath which, as so many have said, is already overcrowded on the nice days when Segway tours are likely to want to use it. It would open the doors to many other forms of motorized transport… a real slippery slope where it would be hard to refuse future requests. If there are people who need to use these types of devices because they are physically unable to walk or bike, they should be allowed to get a special permit from the city so that they can enjoy Burlington's treasures on a personal Segway, motorized wheelchair, or other adapted device. Everyone else should be encouraged to walk or bike

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by 1Susan

1Susan — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:07:43 +0000

It is not that I doubt that the company running the Segways tours is responsible and
reasonable. They may well be. It's that a good % of the public isn't. Once motorized 2-wheelers appear on the bike paths, people will get ideas that it's ok to have Segways
and scooters. And they will ride them, unsupervised. We really don't have any
City force REGULARLY, FREQUENTLY enforcing laws on the bike path. As people
become less dependent on their own muscles to use the bike path, they will
flock there. As it is, weekends are dangerous because of so many people
walking/riding without obeying rules of the bike path: stopping in the middle
of the path without noticing traffic around them, walking/riding 2-4 abreast,
using cell phones and not watching where they're going. Unfortunately, human
nature argues against Segways on our bike paths–and sidewalks.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by mike

mike — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:52:57 +0000

Paul –

The name of this blog, and of the organization is LocalMotion. Note the mission that fits under the name "Building a culture of walking and bicycling in Northwest Vermont" – Also note the logo – bike treade and footprints. Chapin and many others who read here are interested in shifting away from motorized (electric, oil, machine powered) transportation. Why are you so surprised that there seem to be comments pushing back against this proposal? This is an 'active' transportation based website. Active means you have to do more than turn a lever, push a button, or plug it in.

Yes, there may well be a place for Segways in the transportation mix. But operating tours on an already crowded MUP seems the wrong place to start.

And I agree with John McMurry – anything tourists spend in Burlington is good? You may want to rethink that. Should we open up a casino in the Moran? How bout a NASCAR track down where the 189 terminates? Maybe we can import some of the 'adult' businesses from Montreal – surely these bring in $$…. (coupled with alcohol sales!)….

I just don't agree that we should open this up for 'tourist $$'. Aside from the safety / crowd issues – it puts outside money over the interests of local, everyday users.

Mike Beganyi

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by John McMurry

John McMurry — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:20:51 +0000

Oh, please tell.

Show us the data, Paul, of similar multi-use paths in Europe that easily handle 3-4 times the Burlington Bike Path's peak Saturday traffic.

And please, do reference the data you researched of bicycle injuries. I believe you're terribly mis-informed:

http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/25000/25400/25439/DOT-HS-8…

And halfway through this last paragraph you finally make your point, You'd like to allow electric-powered, motorized vehicles onto Burlington's pedestrian/cycling pathway.

What then, is your opinion of allowing electric-powered scooters, ATV's, motorcycles, and go-carts access to the multi-use path?

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by John McMurry

John McMurry — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:59:56 +0000

You continue to smokescreen with slander of individuals, cyclists, and disregard the concerns of pedestrians. If you were to eliminate this from your argument and focus more so on logic, you may gain a larger audience.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by John McMurry

John McMurry — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:45:00 +0000

Anything that tourists spend money on in Burlington will benefit the city? Seriously?

Your objections to any hesitation with this proposal appear rife with rhetoric with which there is no logic.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by John McMurry

John McMurry — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:39:30 +0000

So what if the author isn't perfectly objective? This isn't the NYT. His bias may be towards human-powered activities, as the non-profit's mission statement suggests.

Please share the proposal that was "set up" by Chapin? There's certainly no mention of it in this blog post.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Paul Smith

Paul Smith — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:56:21 +0000

Does Local Motion or Skirack have to give the city a piece of their action or have such restrictions on their bike rentals? (NO), and newsflash – most bike paths are the same width as Burlington’s and many similar bike paths in Europe everyday easily handle 3-4 times our peak Saturday traffic. And as for allowing Segways and electric bikes only on streets – yes, let’s restrict them to roadways where over 80% of all serious bicycle accidents happen. Let’s see how many middle-age tourists we can injure. Let's disenfranchise anybody with an allowed electic bicycle by kicking them off the bike path 7 years after the DMV indicated they should be treated like any other bicycle.
I hope the Parks and Rec hearing on this proposal is fair,balanced and makes a decision based on facts rather than the opinions of narrow minded bicycle elitists or stuck-in-the-past purist who would have us rejecting all modern inventions and have us riding horse and buggies or the lightly veiled objections of companies who view 802Segways as a potential competitive threat and use a public forum to stifle competition.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Paul Smith

Paul Smith — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:54:46 +0000

As far as other comments I’ve read in LocalMotions blog – everybody is allowed an opinion and many were well reasoned, but some – LOL:
Avid bicycle elitists who objected to inline skaters on their bikepath in the past, now get another shot preventing another defilement of their bikepath by Segways. Or the same bicyclists who blow past you at 25 mph on their hi-tech bikes and raise the issue that the Segways might go too fast and injure pedestrians or exceed the bikepath’s 15 mph speed limit. As far as placing restrictions on where and when the Segways could operate – these appear to be suggestions to guarantee this company will fail. Send them past the sewage treatment plant- a great first impression, or effectively bus them to a starting point at North Beach. Another set of restrictions – Have the city get of piece of Segway’s action, place day and time of day restrictions because the bike path can be too crowded and too narrow, or keep Segways and electric bikes off the bikepath completely and let them only operate on streets.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Paul Smith

Paul Smith — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:52:39 +0000

As far as Spencer's comment on Segway and lobbying the state – all modern modes of transportation had both co’s, and eventually the public, pushing for reasonable state laws and regulations. Historically, it’s cities and towns who are notorious for making ridiculous restrictions – automobiles driven at night must have person walking 100’ in front with a lantern, or this one, in some towns bicycles traveling more 10 mph were subject to a $10 to $50 fine or up to 30 days in jail. Mr. Spencer’s introduction of the proposal smacks of yellow journalism, self interest, anti-competition and anti-modernism. Hopefully the Parks and Recreation Department will take any input he, other members of LocalMotion or owners/employees of local bike rental companies may give with a large grain of salt.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Paul Smith

Paul Smith — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:51:34 +0000

The introduction of the Segway proposal by Chapin Spencer and the request for comments reveals his bias. Clearly, he is against this proposal as he writes “Is this a benefit to Burlington? Does the proposal need conditions? Should it be rejected? ” My thoughts are as follows: Yes – anything that tourists spend money on in Burlington will benefit the city. No- the proposal already has adequate conditions – you would prefer to pile on more so the company is not viable and fails? No – it should not be rejected – 200 cities, many more conservative than progressive Burlington, allow these – and Local Motion doesn’t get to block the entry of a potential “tourist recreation dollar” competitor. Hopefully 802Segways will not be forced to disclose its entire business and marketing plan to its competitors at the hearing.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Paul Smth

Paul Smth — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:49:35 +0000

I believe 802 Segways should be allowed to use the multi-use recreation path in Burlington, with the restrictions listed in their proposal. Their proposal is well thought out with numerous public safety measures, they have identified a market and researched the experience of co’s in other cities, they are willing to invest $s into the venture, they will pay their share of taxes and fees to the city and state and will provide summer jobs. No doubt, the Parks and Rec dept will receive many comments on the proposal from LocalMotion. While many of those comments are well reasoned – such as one from someone who wrote, the Bikepath was established with a broader vision than just pedestrians and bikes. However, the proposal as set up by Executive Director Chapin Spencer is anything but objective.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Jeff

Jeff — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:01:42 +0000

As a Burlington resident who uses the bike path on a daily basis, I am EXTREMELY against allowing Segways on the Bike path.

NOT SAFE- novice users using these in a crowded area (moms with strollers, little kids biking) is extremely dangerous.

NOT ECO friendly – take A LOT more energy to produce than a bike or a pair of shoes. Use electricity produced from coal burning fossil fuels.

DOES NOT OPEN UP ACCESSIBILITY – geared towards lazy tourist. I know people with disabilities and they use a wheel chair, not a Segway.

NOT POLICED – bike path is not policed well now: dogs off leashes, dogs at Leddy beach, etc. How will these be patrolled.

SMALL BUSINESS IMPACT – small numbers of people, ruins Burlington's reputation as being a fit city, crap their PO box is in ESSEX and the guy proposing it lives in Underhill. Go use one of their bikes paths. Stop exploiting are resources.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by rsharp

rsharp — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:25:41 +0000

Top speed for the Segway is 12.5 mph. But the Segway has a turttle feature which will limit the speed of each machine. Most operators use a turttle speed of 6 mph to teach beginers. 802 could set the turttle speed of units used in their tour at 8 mph. Segways are easier to learn to ride than bicycles, in-line skates or skateboards. They are more easily controled also. They can stop quicker. But the most important issue in operating them on a bike path is safty. The safty of each vehicle is really dependant on the attitude of the operator. Thats another reason not to allow ATVs. Their operators almost invariably have a bad attitude. Segway rides will tend to be older and much more restrained. Not maucho like ATV riders. Before you condemn Segways to competing with cars on city streets, I suggest you try one out. I would be happy to make some available for Local Motion folks on this blog free of charge. Get back to me if you are interested.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by beeKayjay

beeKayjay — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:11:41 +0000

The point I'm making is not how easy or difficult a Segway may be to learn to use. My point is the effect Segways have on the true pedestrians–foot-travelers–in their vicinity. I have already experienced that. I didn't like it.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by rsharp

rsharp — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:53:05 +0000

The Segway has a maximum speed of 12.5 mph. It has a turttle feature allowing a lower maximum setting. Most operators set the turttle at 6 mph for beginners. Segways are easier to learn to ride than a bike, in-line skates or a skateboard. They stop quicker and are more controlable than any of these devices. Before you all condem the Segway to compete with cars on streets, I think you ought to try one out and see for yourself how controlable they are and how simple they are to learn. I would be happy to provide the machines to anyone that wants to try one out so you know what you are talking about.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by beeKayjay

beeKayjay — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:35:36 +0000

P.S. Note that the VT legislature's definition of a Segway-as-pedestrian limits their speed to a maximum of 8 mph. Yet in 802Segway's proposal, they helpfully point out that the top speed of a Segway is only 12 mph, which is lower than the bikepath's speed limit of 15 mph.
Whoaaa, Nellie.
Did I read something in others' comments here about a slippery slope? In their proposal to use Segways in our community, this company is referring to mph figures beyond that which is stipulated to keep them in the category of pedestrians. I presume they will alter their proposal… but if the machines have the ability to accelerate to 12 mph, isnt' it simple human nature to make use of that ability…now and then?

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by beeKayjay

beeKayjay — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:09:28 +0000

I agree that it was a regrettable decision to give Segways the same rights and status as pedestrians. Had they been given a different status—one that recognizes the fundamental and very sizable difference they have to pedestrians, they could be meaningfully regulated as the machines that they are. Taking the example of bicycles (a form of transportation that I find extremely positive and beneficial): there are laws specific to their use which aim to promote the safety of everyone–the rider of the bicycle AND those in the vicinity of a moving bicycle.
Whatever their benefits, Segways are motor-powered machines. They are simply not the equivalent of a pedestrian.
Given that Segways have, however, been granted the rights of pedestrians, the only decision left for our community is the clunky one of “Segways yes-or-no” rather than the ability to address the actual features of this mode of transportation and the effects of its presence in areas of heavy pedestrian traffic that includes children and baby-strollers. I, too, have witnessed Segways in use in D.C., and my observation was that they have an intimidating effect on actual pedestrians. Foot-travelers instinctively understand that they had better make way for the comparatively fast and heavy Segways, just as they do for other motor-powered vehicles. Cyclists, on the other hand, are regulated by laws specific to the features of bicycles as a mode of transportation, which at least helps to attenuate potential safety issues between pedestrians and cyclists.
What Segway proponents are not addressing here is that we cannot have it both ways: Segways were not given a comparable status to that of bicycles (i.e. meaningfully regulated), but rather exactly that of pedestrians. To say that Segway users have helmets and all the rest is comparing Segways to bicycles (or skateboards). Yet their use cannot be regulated as can bicycles precisely because their legal status falls with that of pedestrians. If Segways users need helmets, does that not tell us a little something about their potential effect also on people nearby in the case of accidents? Nevermind all that, they have the same rights as pedestrians.
The fact that a tour company has written up a safe and courteous plan for their lobbying effort to win the right to sell tours for profit on our bikepath does not mean that afterwards, having granted them permission to do so, the City will have any recourse when other businesses or groups move in with more Segways on the bike path. If Segways have the same rights as pedestrians, and Burlington has granted their use on the bikepath, then that's that. We will necessarily have to accept all of the consequences of that decision.
My vote rests firmly with the other voices here who support exclusively human-powered traffic on Burlington's bikepath.
NO to Segways.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by John McMurry

John McMurry — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:49:36 +0000

And what of electric scooters, mopeds, go carts, and the like?

Burlington certainly cannot provide one manufacturer exclusive motorized access to these otherwise non-motorized pathways. It would certainly be a steep and slippery slope.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by THengelsberg

THengelsberg — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:32:42 +0000

Until the City puts serious money into repairs and complete re-build of some sections, segways should not be allowed to use it. The section to the south of the Treatment Plant, along the Barge Canal is UNSAFE for ANY use except careful walking. I ride my bike on this section a lot, and I really have to watch it. I have never driven a segway myself, but everything I have read/heard about them in the media talks about their unfamiliar balance point, tippiness, and potential danger to the rider and others. Just looking at the device, you can see why it might be difficult to operate… One the bike path is repaired, I see no reason to deny access to the waterfront to mobility-impaired individuals. The city should get a piece of the action from commercial tour guides (analogous to rent on city property) and it should go into a path maintenance fund. The city should limit the number of segways allowed on the path to a reasonable number–say 20? Hefty liability insurance should be required of any concessionaire.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by rsharp

rsharp — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:42:57 +0000

The question now is where do Segways belong? With cars and trains or with pedestrians and bikes on a separate path. Part of what we were doing was trying to get people out of cars and into alternate forms of transportation on safe separated pathways. In my mind the Segway belongs with the pedestrians and bikes and will result in more use of alternate forms of transportation that are more enviornmentally friendly and don't use foriegn oil for propulsion. Some people are incapable of riding bikes or using in-line skates or skateboards. They should be allowed to enjoy this public space as well. Segways allow them to do so safely. Segways do not represent a danger to pedestrians or bicyclists. They belong on the bike path.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by rsharp

rsharp — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:42:06 +0000

The bike path was not created just for pedestrians or bikes. I know because I was one of the leaders of the movement that created it, despite unbelievable odds against it, along with Howard Dean, Tom Hudspeth and a bunch of others in the early 1980s. The idea was to preserve a strip of land for public access along the waterfront as it was redeveloped from oil storage tanks and old rail yards to more modern uses such as hotels and condos. We were successful beyond our wildest dreams and the hotels, condos and other buildings were set back away from the water leaving ample space for public uses including bikes, pedstrians, in-line skates, skateboards, etc. When the Alden plan surfaced in 1985 the City Administration wanted to run the bike path behind the dumpsters behind the hotel and condos in a "transportation corridor" with cars and railroad trains. We insisted that the bike path be located in front of the hotels and condos along the lake's edge in a corridor separated from cars and trains due to the obvious danger to pedestrians and bicyclists if forced to compete with cars and trains. Of course Segways had not been invented then.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Chip Patullo

Chip Patullo — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:20:40 +0000

I believe the VT Legislature made a mistake in rating Segways with the same rights as pedestrians. With their speed, I would regulate them as bicycles and wheeled vehicles – yielding to pedestrians, calling out that they are passing someone, not riding on sidewalks, using helmets. My thirteen-year-old's first common-sense response was the same. "Those are more like bikes than pedestrians', he said.
I am concerned about motorized vehicles on the path and have also been passed by gasoline-powered 'assisted' bikes. My concern is that other motorized vehicles would also lobby (and win) access and I do not support that.
I have been spooked by a Segway tour in DC as they are very quiet. People leap out of the way.
I agree we should educate walkers to face traffic on left and keep to one side (not 3 abreast), and bikers to the right, yielding, signaling, stopping. Signage would help. Would signage or all-mode education be paid for by the Segway tour group?
While I support access to parks and sites for mobility impaired, I don't think the bike path is the right place. It is narrow and certain parts and times far too crowded, to add motorized transport.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Dave Larrabee

Dave Larrabee — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:50:42 +0000

If they open the "bike path" up to any motor vehicles, it would be open to any user. Why not ATVs? I've learned from them there are only two speeds, stop and full throttle. Vermonters fought hard for this non-motorized trail; motorized should use their own trail, or road.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Bill Haller

Bill Haller — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:09:49 +0000

Segways are equivalent to electric bicycles with speed governors. While I think both are pretty cool, I don't think either should be allowed on the Burlington bike path. They are motorized vehicles, plain and simple (or fancy and high tech), and run counter to the intended use and spirit of the Burlington bike path. There is plenty of Burlington for a tour without including the path.

Church Street is a more interesting question, but that may be up to the whims of the business association that sets the rules there. Given the Segway riding demographic suggested in the proposal ("riders are over 50 years old with disposable income"), visions of plump dollar signs on wheels will probably rule the day.

One last point, the water front can still be included in the tour, and hopefully the guide will point out the convenient bicycle rental facility located there.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Peter Hawks

Peter Hawks — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:47:29 +0000

I am opposed to starting down a slippery slope by letting a mechanized mode of transportation on a pedestrian path. The width of the Segway is a potential hazard in terms of opposite traffic and presents a potential hazard.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Marney Kuna

Marney Kuna — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:08:55 +0000

I would really hate to see Segways on the BikePath.
The BikePath was meant for people to use their own human energy. Bikes, runners, walkers, roller bladers, xcountry skiing (winter).
They seem to me as being the lazy man's way of getting around.
The Bike Path is special just the way it is and seeing a mechanical object on it would be sad.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Dick Bruce

Dick Bruce — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:01:58 +0000

Let's give them a chance. Give them the right to try it out on the southern end of the bike path. One ride on the rutted, bumpy,narrow and poorly maintained path and they won't be back. Problem solved!

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Hugh/Diane Williams

Hugh/Diane Williams — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:32:21 +0000

About two years ago in the small town of Mt. Dora, Florida, a group of ten of us who had never tried a Segway signed up for a Segway tour. We were trained in the company office and then off we went through town on sidewalks, boardwalks, bike paths, unpaved paths and a few streets. We had a careful leader and "tail gunner" and not only did we have a thoroughly good time but from what we could tell we got along fine with with both bicyclist and pedestrians. Also, we observed a Segway tour on the busy sidewalks of Washington, D.C. and they seem to do well interacting with the many people who shared the sidewalks. We recommend that Burlington give the company a chance. The key is careful, responsible people leading the operation.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by bob herendeen

bob herendeen — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:57:25 +0000

I am totally opposed to nonhuman-propelled devices on bike path. The bike path is based on a strong concept of self-propulsion. The segway would likely be a segue to other motorized vehicles, so I am against even a "trial period". BTW, electric motors are not necessarily greener than internal combustion engines; it depends on how the electricity is produced, etc.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Danny Weiss

Danny Weiss — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:43 +0000

I am very concerned about Segways having the same rights as pedestrians on sidewalks. Who would want to be "clipped" by a Segway moving at the legal speed of 8 MPH, which is 4.5 MPH slower than their top speed of 12.5 MPH. Who is going to be enforce this 8 MPH speed limit, anyway? Having the same rights as pedestrians on sidewalks would also allow the Segway rights on the Church Street pedestrian mall. Why allow sidewalks and not the Church St. Mall? It's inappropriate for both locations. There is potential for injury, especially in the hands of an inexperienced operator, and if approved, it's very likely people will be getting hurt; and the City would bear some responsibility for allowing it.

Regarding the bike path, I think it's OK for Segways to have access, but, again, not with the same rights as pedestrians. Pedestrians always have the right of way. Bicycles, skateboards, scooters, and yes, even Segways must yield to pedestrians.

Considering that this is a commercial venture that will add congestion to the bicycle path that will contribute to the need for widening, the City should consider entering into the revenue stream through some kind of licensing or use fee.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by mike

mike — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:48:50 +0000

When the issue of ATVs on public land gets settled will the electric ATV lobby move to have access to the MUP? They are clean, quiet, and offer mobility for those unable or unwilling to walk or pedal. It would certainly give the duck hunters out in Colchester speedier access to their blinds…

Yes, I am sympathetic to electric assist devices than enable someone to get out and move about. I am not sympathetic to a corporation gaining access to legislators with a lobbying effort to get their chosen vehicle written into our current laws defining pedestrian and vehicular rules.

Can we get bikes labeled as 'human powered personal assistive mobility devices' and get special status written into the codes? Perhaps Trek and Specialized could meet with some of our legislators in Montpelier…

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Ilse Raymond

Ilse Raymond — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:29:14 +0000

The bike path is too narrow to admit more than the current mix of pedestrians, bikers and inline skaters. This is a safety issue. I would also consider it noise pollution. Strollers with babys, YES, Segways with tourists, No!

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Peter Duval

Peter Duval — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:43:19 +0000

There is no compelling reason to allow motorized use of the path — period.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Zach

Zach — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:22:58 +0000

I do not support the use of Segways on the bikepath along the waterfront. I believe that the recreational bike path should be reserved for human powered activites unless someone is unable to perform and requires motroized assistance for mobility due to physical or medical limitations.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Hank Stokes

Hank Stokes — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:23:54 +0000

Bikes are not allowed in city center to be on the sidewalks and for good reason. Sidewalks, no matter where they are, are meant as a safe haven for pedestrians. Feet on the sidewalks, wheels on the roadway. I don't feel that the roadway is safe for Segways though since they are noticeably wider than a bike and the people using them might not be experienced enough using them to navigate safely. That said, I have no problem with them being on the bike path. Plenty of room and visibility make them avoidable by pedestrians.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by rsharp

rsharp — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:33:18 +0000

As someone with a disability (I walk with a cane and can't go very far) who recently aquired a Segway, I can tell you first hand how liberating they are to someone in my condition. Although I worked for years to create the Burlington Bike Path in the 1980s, I had never been out to the cut in the fill on the rail line to the Islands until I got the Segway. I could never walk that far and I can't bike anymore either.

The Segway does require a good sense of balance and a faith in technology, but the skills required to operate it over relatively flat ground on a bike path can be easily mastered by almost everyone willing to learn in 15 minutes. The Segway is as controlable by someone at that point as someone on a bike or a skate board. For tis true that safty resides in the attitude of the operator.

I personally see Segways as the latest high-tech piece of the movement I have worked on for over 30 years, to get people out of gas-guzzling cars and into alturnate more environmentally friendly forms of transportation. In my opinion the Segway could be a bigger piece of the transportation transition we need to complete this century than the bicycle. It is quiet, cheep to run, does not pollute and involves the transportation of much less wasted weight than a car but can get someone around reasonable city distances in reasonable time. I believe the Segway should be classified with pedestrians, bikes and skateboards to paths separated from cars. I believe we should encourage their use and would support a trial period of use on Burlington and Colchester bike paths, including tours.

I want to disclose that I was so impressed with the operation of the Segway at our Christmas Tree Farm on Cobble Hill in Milton that I plan to purchase 8 and conduct ecology tours with them. Since we live in Colchester near Airport Park we may also be interested in offering Segway tours of the Colchester fill and areas south of the bridge into Burlington.

Finally, as for vehicles allowed under a new rule, it is possible to completely ban internal combustion engines due to noise and air pollution. Electric bikes, Segways, and wheelchairs fit with pedestrians and bikes, not cars. There should be a place for Segways in the quest for more environmently friendly ways to transport people. I believe bike paths are that place and the Segway is compatable this these other uses.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Diane

Diane — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:47:49 +0000

I didn't notice the cost to use this service. Is it safe to assume 802Segway will be profiting from this venture? Would there be some kickback to the city? The service potentially being motivated by profit would bother me … and while I support people with disabilities having access to the path, I believe the segways do require a certain level of physical ability and sense of balance to operate; obviously a thorough vetting is required on this issue. And hopefully there will be transparency in the process to prevent another disc golf fiasco.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by John McMurry

John McMurry — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:30:00 +0000

That a practice works elsewhere does not mean it works in every situation. The width and length of the path, the popularity, the users (tourist, locals), the geography, the climate, etc, all play an important role in the outcome. The onus is upon 802Segway to show that it will not negatively impact our resource.

If given a trial period, in all fairness it should then be given to: battery powered motorbikes, mini cars, go carts, golf carts, etc. There should be no preference given to a company with a patented device with a large lobbying campaign.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Karen Dawson

Karen Dawson — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:06:36 +0000

It might be instructive to know if there are other communities who allow motorized vehicles on their bike paths, and how it works out. No reason to invent the wheel here

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by devon

devon — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:43:12 +0000

I would agree that a trial period would be the best first step – similar to what Roy said, no peak-use times on Saturdays; the path is crowded enough. OR limit it to the northern sections (up past North Beach) where traffic tends to be more spread out. Initially I was completely opposed to the idea of any motorized use of the bike path. I'm a frequent user who owns a house on the path and uses it to commute; I'm hesitant to say it, but, tourists often have a hard enough time being cognizant of others on the path while they're riding a bicycle or simply walking. Who knows what that would mean to folks operating a more unfamiliar mode of transportation.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by tim

tim — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:44:55 +0000

For a person with a disability this would be a great service. Multiple Sclerosis prevents folks from using the path by foot or on bikes. This would be an idea I would like to see.. A trial period would allow the public to see the impact.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Rick Hubbard

Rick Hubbard — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:04:36 +0000

Yes, but ease into it with a trial period,

Let's focus on safe behavior on the path. Three pedestrians walking abreast can completely block the path if they refuse to move for cyclists and others. Similarly, bicyclists can ride safely, or unsafely. So let's focus on promoting and enforcing safe behavior rather than simply prohibiting certain "classes" of users. If needed, as useage increases, perhaps we can work to widen and expand the path as necessary.

Over time, we'll increase the number of people using and supporting the path system and increase our community support and potential votes for sustained funding of a much appreciated resource.

Segways, properly operated, can be a part of that useage.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by John McMurry

John McMurry — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:18:16 +0000

Without an independently-performed, site-specific impact study; I do not think approving this proposal will be a benefit for Burlington.

The Burlington Bike Path is already overwhelmed with its current population of users. Compounding the issue with an additional group of users, all operating unfamiliar, motorized, machines is grossly irresponsible without knowing impact.

As such, I argue to deny this application. If 802Segway is seriously committed to this idea, it would behoove them to act responsibly, pay for an independent evaluation of impact to be performed, and proceed with the recommendations thereafter.

Comment on Segways on the Burlington Bike Path? by Donald Thomas

Donald Thomas — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:18:21 +0000

I am opposed to it.
1) They are slow and will add additional congestion to what's already a congested path
2) I don't think any kind of motorized vehicles should be allowed on the path (with the exception of those use by people with disabilities). It leads to a bad precedent. If we allow tour groups to use Segways, what is to stop any individual having a Segway to use it on the bike path. If we allow Segways, why not motorized skate boards and the little micro- scooters, maybe even golf carts?
3) The tour group claims it is 'green' transportation; it's not green; it used electrical power.

I believe the bike path should limited to those traveling on it under their own power.